The Path: Podcast

Whether deputy minister, journalist, author, public broadcaster, actor, tax credit advisor, or consumer specialist, we applaud individuals who have played a critical role in our public lives. The Path aims to ask thought-provoking questions with fresh insights.

Listen as our guests turn their incredible life experiences into inspiring messages, reflecting on moments of adversity and triumph.
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Podcast Guests
Episode 14
Eva Dusome
Episode 13
Women in Public Service
Episode 12
Cordelia Clarke Julien
Episode 11
Josh Hjartarson
Episode 10
Barbara Gray
Episode 9
Frances McRae
Episode 8
Claudette Miller
Episode 7
Allan Scott
Episode 6
Karen Turner
Episode 5
Hon. Marion Buller
Episode 4
Steve Paikin
Episode 3
Jeremy Bertrand
Episode 2
Deborah Richardson
Episode 1
Peter Hoy
Episode 14
Eva Dusome
Episode 13
Women in Public Service
Episode 12
Cordelia Clarke Julien
Episode 11
Josh Hjartarson
Episode 10
Barbara Gray
Episodes
EP14: Eva Dusome
Identity, Hope, and the Path Forward Through Corrections and Education
In this two-part episode, Eva Dusome (she/they), Senior Staff Development Officer at Solicitor General, Instructor with Six Nations Polytechnic, and 2021 recipient of the Corrections Exemplary Service Medal, shares an inspiring and deeply personal journey through the intersecting worlds of corrections, identity, and systemic change.

In part one, Eva reflects on their 19-year career in Ontario’s correctional system, recounting how chance attendance at an information session led to their passion for working with incarcerated populations. Eva explores how trauma, poverty, and systemic inequities contribute to criminalization, emphasizing the importance of rehabilitation, reintegration, and humanizing support.

In part two, Eva delves into their identity as a Two-Spirit, non-binary Anishinaabe person, and how Indigenous teachings, land-based wisdom, and authenticity inform their own personal approach to leadership and advocacy. Eva shares their experience navigating colonial structures, both personally and professionally, and offers powerful insights on mentorship, courage, and change-making.
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EP13: Women in Public Service
Empowerment, Equity, and the Path to Leadership
In this special two-part compilation episode, women in public service share candid reflections on mentorship, gender equity, and building meaningful careers.

Part 1 features voices from across Ontario’s public sector who champion gender-inclusive policies and stress the importance of mentors in developing confidence and navigating challenges like ageism and career uncertainty. These stories highlight the impact of empathetic leadership, supportive managers, and inclusive workplaces.

Part 2 continues the conversation, exploring how passions outside of work, like coaching or volunteering, can boost confidence, sharpen leadership skills, and enrich work life. The episode also emphasizes the value of flexibility, purpose, and autonomy in creating happier, more resilient workplaces. Whether senior or junior, every public servant has the power to shape their environment. Through lived experience and research, this episode celebrates how joy, connection, and a strong sense of purpose are essential not just for success, but for thriving in public service.

The first part features the following guests:
(00:03:19) Kara Santokie – Gender Equity Manager, City of Toronto
(00:13:35) Stacy Hernandez – Administrative Assistant, Ministry of Education
(00:18:04) Klackciya Krishnakumar – Human Resources Intern, Ministry of Health
(00:22:07) Ying Wang – Executive Assistant, Labour, Immigration, Training and Skills
(00:26:30) Suguna Sangaranpillai – Registry Officer, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

The second part features the following guests:
[00:01:28] Sophia Tracey – Programs and Service Delivery Intern – Ministry of Economic Development, Job Creation, and Trade
[00:02:52] Alicia Bremner – Ministry of Finance Account Management Collections Branch
[00:04:16] Susan Buchanan – Senior Policy Advisor – Policy, Archives and Data Division
[00:14:10]Veronica Settle – Support Assistant, City of Toronto
[00:22:06] Dr. Gillian Mandich – Happiness Researcher
[00:22:25] Cynthia Watt – ERC/AMERC, Executive, Board, AMAPCEO
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EP12: Cordelia Clarke Julien
Perspectives, Public Policy, and the Path of Understanding for Change
In this two-part episode of “The Path of Public Service,” Cordelia Clarke Julien, Assistant Deputy Minister at Ontario’s Ministry of Children, Community, and Social Services, shares her inspiring journey through public service, highlighting her history of empowering communities and supporting women of colour in achieving economic independence.

Nicknamed “Change-maker,” Cordelia knows change is possible anywhere. She discusses how her career has taken her across seven ministries, a trajectory driven by the need to find spaces where her potential to lead meaningful change was recognized. She explains how her leadership philosophy centers around the three main components of positivity, purpose, and people, emphasizing just how important putting in the effort to understand other perspectives really is.

Reflecting on her Jamaican American heritage, Cordelia shares how her upbringing by strong women showed her the importance of life-long learning and resilience. Through personal anecdotes, Cordelia discusses the challenges of racial biases she has faced in her career, sharing stories of overcoming obstacles as a Black woman in predominantly white spaces, leading to a career of perseverance, empowerment, and creating lasting impact in public service.
Share your thoughts with us on Cordelia’s episode and let us know who we should interview next!
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EP11: Josh Hjartarson
Complexity, Collaboration, and the Path of Human-Centric Problem Solving
In this episode of “The Path of Public Service,” Josh Hjartarson, Deloitte’s Global Leader for Human and Social Services, reflects on his early career in the Ontario Public Service, emphasizing the connection between theory, policy, and practical solutions. His diverse experiences in public service, academia, and consulting reveal the complexity of societal issues and the need for collaboration across sectors.

Drawing from his own childhood experience with state support, he highlights the critical role of government intervention in creating opportunities. Hjartarson campaigns for collaboration among government, private, and nonprofit sectors. Advocating for accountable leadership, Hjartarson stresses the importance of integrated support systems for housing, mental health, and addiction services.

He views social safety nets as investments and underscores the value of lived experiences in program design, championing the rewarding potential of public service.
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EP10: Barbara Gray
Paving the Way Along the Path of Transportation
In this two-part episode of The Path of Public Service, we sit down with Barbara Gray, the General Manager of Transportation Services for the City of Toronto. Barbara shares insights into her career, from her early inspirations to her current role, where she navigates the complexities of Toronto’s dynamic transportation landscape.

In the first part, Barbara discusses the evolution of her career, her passion for public service, and the significant projects she’s spearheaded. She delves into her commitment to creating inclusive, sustainable urban spaces, highlighting her leadership in implementing innovative transportation policies that prioritize safety and accessibility.

The second part offers a closer look at the day-to-day realities of her role. Barbara reveals what it’s like to live amidst the policies she helps create, balancing fast-paced decision-making with thoughtful community engagement. She talks about the challenges of leading a large team, the importance of work-life balance, and the gratification of seeing her work directly impact the lives of Toronto’s residents. From managing the intricate relationships with city councillors to tackling the ever-evolving demands of urban transportation, Barbara’s insights provide a compelling glimpse into the world of municipal governance and the relentless pursuit of a better city for all.
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EP09: Deputy Minister Frances McRae
Public Policy, Public Good, and the Path toward Equality
In this episode, Deputy Minister Frances McRae shares a remarkable journey through her career, bridging both public and private sectors. Raised in a large family, she learned early the values of teamwork and independence, shaping her approach to leadership today. Frances underscores the importance of listening and continuous learning, offering insightful career advice rooted in her experiences.

Highlighting public service as a noble career path, Frances emphasizes its transformative potential and the vital role of volunteering in giving back to communities. Her leadership at Women and Gender Equality Canada (WAGE) exemplifies a commitment to advancing gender equality through collaborative efforts and evidence-based policy. She discusses challenges faced and achievements made, including fostering a diverse workforce and navigating resource constraints.

Throughout, Frances’ narrative inspires us with her dedication to public service and the pursuit of meaningful societal impact. Her vision for the future underscores the ongoing fight against inequality, and advocating for positive change. This episode resonates with those passionate about making a difference, offering valuable insights into effective leadership and the enduring values of public service.
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EP08: Claudette Miller
Early Retirement and the Path from Public Service to Personal Calling
In this episode, Claudette Miller reflects on her career in Ontario’s public sector, spanning from administrative assistant to corporate operations manager. She highlights perseverance, mentorship, and technological advancements, including her involvement in policy development like pay equity. Miller discusses her strategies from working in finance, and navigating organizational changes, and the importance of communication and resilience. She advises newcomers in public service on understanding organizational culture and seeking guidance. Additionally, she shares insights on maintaining work-life balance through volunteering, work, and study, emphasizing the importance of understanding workplace culture, developing trust, finding creative solutions within regulations, and the valuable lessons learned from her public service career, including her transition to retirement and continued influence in new pursuits, notably in ministry. Finally, she stresses the diverse nature of the Ontario Public Service and the significance of positivity and respect in fostering a supportive work environment.
Share your thoughts with us on Claudette’s episode and let us know who we should interview next!
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EP07: Allan Scott
Policing to Policy and the Path Up the Ladder of Public Service
Allan Scott has had a diverse and extensive career in the Ontario Public Service, transitioning from a police constable to a retired public servant with over 30 years of experience. He has worked in various ministries, including roles in policy analysis, enforcement, and compliance.

In this two-part episode of Path of Public Service, Allan emphasizes the importance of frontline experience in shaping policies and the challenges of remaining neutral in public service. He also highlights the skills required to succeed in the public sector and the complexities involved in implementing government policies. His insights provide valuable advice for professionals in the field, emphasizing integrity, due diligence, continuous learning, and dedication to serving the community.

Through this conversation, we learn how Allan Scott’s career journey encompasses the opportunities and challenges within the public service sector, offering valuable insights for aspiring professionals looking to make a difference in their communities.
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EP06: Karen Turner
Empathy and the Path from Women’s to Children’s Services Ministries
Karen Turner is the Manager of Community Programs & Out of Home Care, Children’s Services, of the Ministry of Children, Community and Social Services, Toronto Region, with more than twenty years’ experience. In this 2-part podcast, she opens up about her unexpected journey into working for the government and her path from Women’s to Children’s Services within the OPS. Karen shares how her own life, family, Caribbean culture, and love for music play a role in the humour, empathy, and passion she brings to her work, both in the office and beyond.

In an honest, heartwarming, and charming Part 1, Karen shares stories of her early life growing up in 1970s Toronto and learning to play the piano, and how these experiences inspire her volunteer work and community involvement today. As a musician, performer, and volunteer, Karen brings her culture and an immense amount of care to the community. She also shares with us how she balances work and family, and the “auntie energy” and empathy she brings to managing her beloved team in the OPS. And in her work today, Karen offers valuable insights into the Children’s Services systems in Ontario – how families handle crises and how Children’s Aid is there to help.

In Part 2, Karen goes on to share more about her personal and professional path from community and grassroots worker to government worker, and where she thinks this might take her next. Accruing knowledge, skill, and experience from working in Violence Against Women services that she uses today working with Children’s Services, Karen lets us in on the invaluable perspectives at play in serving the whole family within the Ontario Public Service system. And, finally, she reminds us of the people of public service and the power and potential that we all have to make a difference through public service.
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EP05: Judge Marion Buller
Indigeneity and the Path to the BC Bench
As the first woman Indigenous judge in BC and recently retired, Honourable Judge Marion Buller in her decades-long career has served Canada as a civil, criminal, and human rights lawyer, judge, public speaker, and advocate for Indigenous rights in Canada. Holding during her career esteemed roles of Director and President of the Indigenous Bar Association in Canada, and as Chief Commissioner for the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls, Judge Buller continues to write, speak and advocate for these causes she is so passionate about today. Her perspective shaped by her experiences growing up in Toronto, Cree, and member of the Mistawasis First Nation in Saskatchewan has informed her rich and impactful career for decades. In this podcast, you’ll hear from Judge Marion Buller as she shares her story and reflects on her upbringing and education, as well as her valuable insights into the Canadian judicial system. As personal as it is powerful, you’ll find this podcast poignant, thought-provoking, and inspiring.

In Part 1: We are introduced to the Honourable Judge Marion Buller as she shares with us her background and early life, and reflects on how her experiences shaped her work and career, speaking on Indigenous history in Canada, and what inspired her path into law and public service.

In Part 2: We continue our conversation delving into life in public service. We’ll discuss why public servants are expected to do the right thing and why that’s not always easy. And what it’s like balancing life as both a prominent public official and private citizen. And as we venturing forward on the road to renewal in Canada, we’ll explore what real access to justice means and share current trends in the Canadian courtroom and around the globe. We’ll talk about Judge Buller’s role as Chief Commissioner of the National Inquiry for Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls from a historical perspective and what she sees for the future of Indigenous families in Canada.
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EP04: Steve Paikin
Persistence and the Path of Journalism and Media
This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the world of Canadian journalism, as we have the pleasure of welcoming Steve Paikin as our distinguished guest. With over 40 years of experience covering both provincial and international affairs, Mr. Paikin has become a trusted voice in Canadian media, earning him numerous accolades, including the prestigious Officer of the Order of Canada. As an author of eight books, a moderator of eight election debates, and an anchor of TVO’s The Agenda for 17 years, Steve Paikin has built an impressive career that spans a wide range of topics, providing rare subject intimacy and invaluable political insight. Hosted by Kerry Wright, this podcast episode will explore the complexities of journalism, politics, and family dynamics. With Steve Paikin’s vast experience and expertise, listeners can expect a fascinating and informative discussion that covers a range of timely and thought-provoking topics.
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EP03: Jeremy Bertrand
Gratitude and the Path of Finance and Education
Jeremy Bertrand’s expertise in public education outreach has led to tangible and meaningful change. With a talent for connecting, educating and entertaining through seminars and webinars, Jeremy brings a new perspective to overlooked topics such as personal taxes and tax credit benefits. In this episode, Jeremy will delve into the intricacies of his role in the Ontario Public Service and reveal exactly why being knowledgeable about what he does will make your life richer. His dedication to serving the public is clear and serves as a source of motivation for the next generation of public servants.
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EP02: Deputy Minister Deborah Richardson
Equity and the Path of Leading with Purpose
Deputy Minister Deborah Richardson is currently the highest-ranking Indigenous person in the Ontario Public Service. Her unique perspective, informed by her cultural heritage and experiences, has allowed her to bring a fresh and valuable perspective to the table. You’ll hear what she wishes she’d known upon entering government and how public service forever changed how she deals with opposing views. It is clear that Deputy Minister Deborah Richardson continues to embody the principles and values that inspired her to pursue a career in public service, shaped by the qualities and characteristics she learned and admired from her mentors.
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EP01: Peter Hoy
Resilience and the Path from Service to the Screen
Having previously served 3 decades in Public Service, Peter worked exceptionally hard to earn a career that is highly credentialed. He offers candid insight with a humble and reassuring sense of reason. You’ll hear his perspective on what makes a good public servant, how working in the public arena can play an even more expansive role than in corporations, and what actually surprised him the most about his very “dramatic” career change that cast aside misconceptions of public administrators while transforming just about everything in Peter’s life.
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